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[语言求助] consult lawyers or consult with lawyers

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发表于 2016-11-21 10:07:17 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 Littlebush 于 2016-11-21 10:14 编辑 - z# d  M; B5 m; i

% b# m6 y- E" S) J6 J4 D9 Q0 ^近期的NYT有这么一个句子Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of President-elect Donald Trump, has consulted with lawyers about the possibility of joining the new administration, a move that could run afoul of federal nepotism laws and would all but certainly invite legal challenges. 印象中consult doctor/lawyer等professional的时候应该是vt,查词典也是vt,那么这个consult with 是否属于误用?BTW,英语中的名词的数和动词的及物或非及物确实让人头痛。
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    [LV.8]以坛为家I

    发表于 2016-11-21 11:32:03 | 显示全部楼层
    consult 做及物动词是“咨询”,做不及物动词是“商量”,楼主又不查词典

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    发表于 2016-11-21 12:28:28 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 spearonsquare 于 2016-11-21 12:46 编辑 6 p+ o$ p/ F2 Z* L5 s
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    Consult: vt, vi
    . N$ e0 I) o1 L7 Mto ask for information or advice from someone because it is their job to know something:
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    1 a: B2 n& u# q% k: p* o//If symptoms persist, consult a doctor without delay.& k; [: y7 G, W

    ' s  r5 j4 K( E% _+ C# v% N' bconsult somebody about something4 V% o$ {6 @# j' S0 ~
    //An increasing number of people are consulting their accountants about the tax laws.8 w. l7 ]7 j- K4 P

    & Y4 k+ _2 W! n: j& d//consult with:3 V  L9 b* o& C6 B5 T( V; {: m' V
    I need to consult with my lawyer.
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    4 x$ \! M' L0 {: ^* _1 e/ M- E//see/consult a lawyer (=talk to a lawyer for advice)
    8 Y- K  V/ U# zShe has consulted a lawyer and is considering whether to sue Bailey.
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    8 h' x' }6 ]5 V8 Z" K: l# k但是,WU:( ?: T) R9 p$ F: C8 ?: b" W
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    to ask advice of : seek the opinion of : apply to for information or instruction
    + }1 X4 T8 j& n* h5 P1 Nconsult a doctor about an ailment- z5 l3 }1 o9 u) a; z& A
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    vi.8 U0 u0 y" m; c- A: o- z; K  S0 ]
    to take counsel : deliberate together : confer
    1 l0 e3 s. h3 V+ c7 Y+ ]  Uafter consulting with a lawyer
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    to ask the advice or opinion of
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    to consult an individual

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     楼主| 发表于 2016-11-21 12:55:22 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 Littlebush 于 2016-11-21 13:06 编辑
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    , G7 D0 E% d; d嗯,开始没查朗文,正确的usage应该是做查词典、地图等时时vt,做咨询、商量解时vt vi均可以,还可以这么理解,如果consult的是sb,vt vi均可以,consult的是sth,例如dictionary、map etc,vt,简单准确。
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    [LV.8]以坛为家I

    发表于 2016-11-21 15:40:45 | 显示全部楼层
    consult with 是属于北美用法

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    petergaoshanwei 发表于 2016-11-21 15:40" B) Z1 M7 ~/ y" q8 g. j% e
    consult with 是属于北美用法

    ' h' F# G5 Q! H# _" l感谢peter的解释。' {/ d5 ]  S  P
    的确有一点区别:
    & [0 w# s: M( k/ Dhttp://forum.wordreference.com/t ... nsult-with.2262139/
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    5 @5 F& L3 [. F1 w. G; e7 Z0 ?If you consult with someone then you each consult the other, on an equal footing. For example:
    $ w5 c0 ]8 O* I1 f% @0 q[*=1]"What time do you and your wife want to visit us this evening?"[*=1]"I don't know---I need to consult with her first"[*=1]The two of you then consult with each other to agree what answer to give.- Y% {+ G' d7 ?. a9 L. f
    If you consult someone, they have some information or an opinion, and you go to them in order to get it from them. It only happens in one direction. For example:: H. [' d- ~" M5 i( \4 K
    [*=1]If you feel ill, you should consult a doctor.1 E( G* ^8 @  ^6 M+ q- b$ M
    [*=1]To check the meaning of a word, I consult my dictionary.
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

    发表于 2016-11-21 22:21:56 | 显示全部楼层
    consult with sb (about/on sth)◆Consult with your physician about possible treatments.向你的醫生咨詢可行的治療方

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     楼主| 发表于 2016-11-22 11:14:56 | 显示全部楼层
    spearonsquare 发表于 2016-11-21 16:00. K  S. p6 E/ c% J0 H' l4 {& r
    感谢peter的解释。8 _$ G, p3 G+ o. X
    的确有一点区别:
    + u+ z1 Y, q2 a# l" {7 \http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/consult-and-consult-wi ...
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    区别其实很微弱,也可以说没有区别。真正的要害在于:当做seek professional advice or discuss with sb to make a decision这2个意思解的时候,consult 或 consult with均可以,consult with也并非北美用法,我也经常看到美国的医学方面的报道用的consult your doctor这样的说法,btw,有人说doctor是英国的用法,美国说physician,但其实并非如此,美国也经常说doctor。All in all,语言这玩意很多时候没有特比clear-cut的distinction,这给user造成很大的困扰。

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    感谢,英语的确“特例”太多。  发表于 2016-11-22 15:03
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