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[词典讨论] idioms和Phrasal verbs词典也是少不了的

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:39:33 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
take the heat
8 c* w, b/ W& O. {# t% _sign off on8 c, b5 ]% n  A1 |5 G
take pains to4 t, ^* O" f& D2 \
take a shot at& ]* I. ^; O6 H& d: I& F, [
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这种最讨厌,每个词都认识,连在一起意思就完全不同3 x. _, s* j! m" w& |
多数词典还都不收,或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低$ a6 J9 S1 k" U' L# N5 |/ k3 F
这时候就得靠idioms和Phrasal verbs词典
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相关的资源似乎不多,宇宙盘里只搜到三个5 G* N# Y$ [+ w
McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms Phrasal Verbs
0 v+ H& @9 ]! O: f1 ILongman Phrasal Verbs Dictionary 2nd Edition
# n  \( d- Q6 B6 @3 P+ ICambridge Phrasal Verbs Dictionary
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1 j$ Z. ?0 w# V传说中的" ?7 g# }$ ^" j6 T) @0 w" D
A.P. Cowie Oxford dictionary of phrasal verbs未找到

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:49:18 | 显示全部楼层
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多的是。有空整理整理。
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牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。
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看 superfan https://pdawiki.com/forum/thread-7100-1-1.html 牛津短语动词词典.7z http://u.115.com/file/clq40lt6#

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:19:18 | 显示全部楼层
Oeasy 发表于 2014-9-12 20:49
4 l) k: [, G- X6 a! `多的是。有空整理整理。
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牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。

7 L* E1 n6 |' D# H$ h4 m这个是英汉的,想找个英英的# a* C* ]1 _) o; ~6 N2 S

& X9 h# A- u& R8 {3 O+ t+ \7 S4 |idioms词典主要有. ^6 W5 n# b' ]( W" |& a, F
NTC's Thematic Dictionary of American Idioms
" p& e4 u# A) w- X" ~' r+ V8 UThe American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms
. v4 T: Z  x- G3 ^7 g. @, r- cCambridge Idioms Dictionary
! `: h5 k; j& EOxford Idiom 2004(这个什么都查不出来,没研究具体因为什么)- U2 `  ^. a. d$ K0 z1 r
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主要问题是,无论idioms还是phrasal verbs词典,都没有那种大全集一站式的4 G) B: V; f) h4 @# _. m
有的收了这个有的收了那个,很零散,义项收的也不全/ Q2 v' Q1 h; {8 h& ?: J: w/ P
感觉各家出版社对这块都不太用心8 G0 k, U1 [0 U

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Oxford 那本的问题在于 headword 都是单词,而词组没有提取出来单列。它的例句给了出处,还是有特点的。  发表于 2016-3-10 10:09
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

    发表于 2014-9-12 21:47:57 | 显示全部楼层
    全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)
    5 g1 n& p5 M+ H* J% P) n! V* ^) F$ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz ) O6 J0 e  x; J7 d
                    ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?
    ! |- \& v$ {* U( `                ▪ How could you not sign off on that?6 P4 e9 N3 f1 S* x! h
                    ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?9 N7 z. p, `% ]* H7 N7 R6 L
                    ▪ Dalton, a 1964 academy graduate who spoke on honor at the academy last week, must sign off on the expulsion.
    - n' ?- t% q4 _$ C                ▪ President Clinton also is expected to sign off on the plan.& a- z9 T+ m5 ], u
    $ xzgrep "take the heat" lextra.txt.xz
    3 t9 y4 x. y  _) z  `                ▪ The election will take the heat off the constitutional issue, at least for the time being.( h3 ^* b( m0 ]
                    ▪ Lowell's humour - unexpected - that could take the heat out of a fraught situation.
    4 Z$ k5 `0 u! `  ]# L                ▪ Hormones take the heat off Thousands of women suffer menopausal symptoms which could be relieved by a course of Hormone Replacement Therapy

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     楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:58:02 | 显示全部楼层
    spoony1971 发表于 2014-9-12 21:47
    : A% T+ O( w3 E1 H1 `1 u3 `# `全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)
    & U; I9 J( p" C7 s3 B* @/ S# g$ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz / A$ L7 t2 f" T2 [7 D% K0 E
                    & ...

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    估计全宇宙只有你这样用8 g3 |6 A1 [: [5 m% s. c. n
    我是懒得敲字

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    发表于 2014-9-13 06:14:53 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 zxjsjd 于 2014-9-13 06:17 编辑
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    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富、体例最严密。.
    0 t- Y. `/ X6 g1 b  R% Z3 Y! z: S( rhttp://book.douban.com/subject/1007151/
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    [LV.Master]伴坛终老

    发表于 2014-9-13 07:12:18 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 wwoxxoyy 于 2014-9-13 07:22 编辑
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    " ~* N3 k- v4 ^9 S# lto sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees with the state of something. The publisher signed off on the book and sent it to be printed. I refuse to sign off on this project until it is done correctly.3 I3 `: Z2 _0 n
    See also: sign
    6 `* W7 p, \% F6 @3 Z: sMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.. b' {( \$ V1 ~# N" z" Y& f& P7 u

    , L$ X4 {8 S( B! Y& j& I8 wake the heat and take some heat$ x# p& p+ w& m: G8 C
    Sl. to receive or put up with criticism (for something). The cops have been taking some heat about the Quincy killing. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.4 U- h' H2 N4 [5 s
    See also: heat, take8 ~, f) X3 n; ~; G0 J( F+ J
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
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    take (great) pains to do something also go to (great) pains to do something4 }9 f: @" C6 k* l- g
    to try very hard to do something We took great pains to insure that no one felt left out.
    ; r% g& @7 j$ v$ A  y7 \- @4 eRelated vocabulary: go to great lengths to do something
    ; d) ?! {" o- }2 x% h& r8 bSee also: pain, take
    % ^5 t# ^" _  LCambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.0 W* D9 n2 t) h8 z: N$ q

    2 O* p$ j7 Y5 \take a shot at someone or something   v9 _. p+ Z  k8 N
    1. to fire a shot at someone or something. The hunter took a shot at the deer. Who took a shot at my mailbox?5 D+ n# v4 M) C1 R' ~
    2. Go to a try at something.+ `3 E' }9 ^1 X3 t3 n% q1 x
    See also: shot, take
      L9 v4 s6 [4 v) z8 D; hMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.! J( V2 u! A! m& z. r
    take a shot at something also have a shot at something
    . _- h# m  i% \  L4 o- `4 ]to make an attempt to do something give something a shot I wasn't sure of the answer, but I thought I'd take a shot at it anyway. He's proven himself to be a talented actor and now he's having a shot at directing./ N( j  B; a0 Q
    Related vocabulary: give something a whirl0 a; _8 Z, ^4 W/ R8 q' C# v
    See also: shot, take
    * A3 {5 r; [- Y: V# ICambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.2 T$ K/ [1 `3 D: [# M$ m
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    ( B; p6 x; p+ K5 jhttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/
    % P! v4 f. I: p3 Q这个网站可能有你想要的,它的特点就是:引用别人的。' m5 z: o4 {" A) r5 Y) G( m$ M2 K, @
    要是能提取出来,可以做一个很全面的词典,应为它就是各类词典的打包。
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    发表于 2014-9-13 08:25:56 | 显示全部楼层
    或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低

    ! N  g$ v) ?- ~  y: _# _解析下这些义,独立出来不行吗?分公快点,别重复

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    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:12! L& _8 V  r: U2 V  e# a) y! d# J
    sign off on something3 A. ?( x4 f, }+ S* g- R6 h3 p( e" K
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wi ...
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    TFD的确比较全,许多人查询时将其拍在reference.com前。

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    发表于 2014-9-14 23:03:33 | 显示全部楼层
    bt4baidu, 你那麽懂得計算機, 有什麼資源會拿不到啊 ! m2 U7 \2 C$ l/ V' C* C
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 cnlion 于 2014-9-15 02:02 编辑
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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14$ a# u3 R  W! z+ Q1 a% A
    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...
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    这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。

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    发表于 2014-9-15 08:08:02 | 显示全部楼层
    cnlion 发表于 2014-9-15 02:01
    % |5 H. I- b, H+ T: @. e5 Z2 x这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。
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    我没找到电子版,没办法在X宝上买的实体书。
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 bolome1 于 2014-9-15 13:13 编辑 5 E) q1 z! j9 F; J3 B8 ]$ S

    1 e% u4 ?( E& i. n- S2 g9 _我一直以来是这么查短语的:
    ' l# }: H, v* m% D) @5 p2 B- y0 i在 朗文双解4 查了上面的几个词组,都能查到,不过需分别查heat,sign,pain,shot,再在GD里面ctrl+f,很快就能找到。2 p7 Y4 g5 p" }- c! Z1 r  x- U" i
    有时候柯林斯,韦氏高阶学习词典也能补充一下。
    + Y% T4 h0 Y; S/ ]+ V2 ^/ z/ j当然如果有本大而全的专门查短语的词典是极好的^_^- a' C, q7 W0 A* z, B
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    [朗文双解4]
    4 J. @8 Y+ U' Y9 p' U[U] strong feelings, especially anger or excitement 强烈的感情;愤怒;激动:( I6 A9 d& q7 A) g! v  @7 Y2 P
    Reconciliation services can take the heat out of (=reduce the anger in)the dispute. 仲裁服务可以缓解冲突。  u  k# c7 P7 \$ X

    5 Z# l: c3 z& `/ msign sth ↔off BrE 【英】; sign off on sth AmE 【美】to show that you approve of a plan or that something is finished by signing an official document 签字认可;签字确认…已完成:% ]1 P9 x, T* q9 }1 m
    Major repainting work now needs to be signed off by a qualified engineer. 现在重要的重新油漆工作需要有资质的工程师签字认可。
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    - W6 `, V' g4 f+ j3 b" Ntake/go to (great) pains to do sth also 又作 take pains with/over sth to make a special effort to do something 煞费苦心做某事;十分努力地做某事:
    % G4 ?' O* ~$ p8 F& G2 FHe’s taken great pains to improve his image. 他煞费苦心地改善自己的形象。5 M1 \& Q  S) t& [& s. @- f
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    [C] a)an act of firing a gun 开枪:7 `) R1 Y( A7 z$ Q( q
    A crazy man took a shot at her (=tried to shoot her)from a rooftop. 一名精神错乱的男子从屋顶朝她开了一枪。6 S  n& y0 @2 n: w* i8 P) i4 X
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    [韦氏高阶学习]" |3 c0 N. i6 j* B9 F- s7 \
    criticism or abuse
    # ]/ r+ v2 k1 {) d0 _He will likely take/get a lot of heat for his decision7 I' S( c  _: t; B# H9 |0 J* K- Z( f

    1 q4 R3 g5 q; n$ `, n/ L  @[牛津双解7]
    % C# w/ H7 ]0 @0 V0 r. K% b" v$ R [U] pressure on sb to do or achieve sth 压力;逼迫:6 A9 ?5 U$ q; {! f. Z  E! o
    Can she take the heat of this level of competition?
    + k8 v; s  R: L; I$ [她承受得了比赛到这个阶段的压力吗? 5 V3 c% ~4 \) d1 A) U

    5 m! |' s# X: E通过一番查询能找出传统词典的不足:take the heat 至少在不同的语境下有两个意思。
    . O6 p& h2 T, C3 L7 Y刚查询 http://www.wordandphrase.info/analyzeText.asp ,take the heat也算是比较常见的表达了,作为短语收词似乎没有啥不妥。

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    发表于 2014-9-26 05:07:02 | 显示全部楼层
    还有这个An Asperger Dictionary of Everyday Expressions,MDICT资料库有的
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

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    本帖最后由 brianleeeee 于 2014-9-26 11:13 编辑 * B, C- Y' k$ O8 |! f6 L7 d' c
    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14
    $ [4 |: n% B# \  L这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...
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    PDF文件算电子版吗?

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    发表于 2014-9-26 18:41:27 | 显示全部楼层
    brianleeeee 发表于 2014-9-26 11:111 m7 P) `: `' r/ @
    PDF文件算电子版吗?

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    [LV.4]偶尔看看III

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    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:127 H, S9 F- K( l  }
    sign off on something
    & \* b6 B( P" r. J) Rto sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wit ...
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    就是这个在线网站 所有遇到的词组都能查到
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