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[词典考据] dog food@21世纪大英汉

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发表于 2021-5-5 13:23:19 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2021-5-5 13:23 编辑 9 y% l- h# k3 u

% O/ [; b! p. Z7 B" P- m0 r7 O, qdog food 一般就是狗粮,可是21世纪大英汉词典说:0 ]4 I' U6 u) K& S4 `/ `9 n9 I
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dog food
: P! Z4 _6 f9 v$ I* q美军俚语(美国海军于第二次世界大战期间吃的)腌牛肉末土豆泥

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Green’s Dictionary of Slang
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5 w& s5 C( `9 [5 N& X; }! J1. [1940s–60s] (US) any form of canned meat.  Z% Z2 N' [  @6 V4 U0 B+ l0 r
2. [1970s] any food considered disgusting.4 y# k) B( ~3 o2 A' S
dog food n.2
' y+ K- j3 b7 t  ^' b[1960s] (US black) a bribe paid to a corrupt police officer.
' u8 O0 ]6 D/ hdog food n.3% J2 [9 i* I) A
[1970s+] (US gay) a soldier, viewed as a potential sexual partner.
8 v* o+ A! V+ j& s7 r: gdog food n.4
  Y+ y1 k7 l; q5 A) J$ d[1980s+] (drugs) heroin.

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Green’s Dictionary of Slang 收了几个俚语意思,包括「毒品」义,不过没有21世纪大英汉的这个腌牛肉末土豆泥…… 3 ]9 S  n3 K0 k8 \
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Stevie Wonder 于1976年发行的歌曲,Village Ghetto Land, 歌词里面用了dog food:
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Families buying dog food now* W6 Y' c5 Q3 A+ Q
Starvation roams the streets: k" |: |1 Y+ k  ?
Babies die before they're born
$ J6 i0 A, s1 v+ UInfected by the grief

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+ {5 c; ]8 f& e6 E8 Y6 I% r7 T4 n( j网易云音乐提供的中文翻译里,说「家庭依靠毒品来维生」……不妥
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1)从上下文看,根本不需要用俚语意义,「狗粮」是说得通的
; I8 w. c/ k0 i5 j$ {2)Green’s Dictionary of Slang 里面,毒品这个意义是1980年以后出现的,而歌曲本身于1976年发行,不合
! s3 O. Z! Z/ x% }! t3)如果要用俚语意义,「any food considered disgusting.」更妥,可以翻成「狗(才)吃的东西」  Z- p% j" P" S# k
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    Dog Food: Corned beef hash.6 ~  q( d2 L, b" a
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    Source: https://www.wwiidogtags.com/ww2-slang/

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    本帖最后由 kyletruman 于 2021-5-5 16:38 编辑
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    ; Z9 b2 [: V$ h' O5 n/ W$ awiki百科翻译成 犬粮,或称狗粮,dog food @ 中文wiki百科(dog food在英文wiki百科切换成中文界面),dog food @ Wikipedia4 t8 c8 r/ V; {! f! P- D5 N
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    发表于 2021-5-5 15:37:01 | 显示全部楼层
    原来如此。学习了。有一个大神级的前辈,真是太好了。

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    loveaffairs 发表于 2021-5-5 15:08+ I: c; \$ O& J- _* Z' x" ?- X
    Dog Food: Corned beef hash./ [  S; M  f# M- j

    0 U6 r8 @: A9 N# |, BSource: https://www.wwiidogtags.com/ww2-slang/

    1 [: y9 K5 e; V- Y& ^多谢,21世纪大英汉倒还真参考了些偏门书
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    3 ?7 B( @% R3 V0 _  _9 ]5 T4 V把Corned beef hash叫Dog Food,应该就是因为两者看着像闻着也像:
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    Even though that canned hash looks and smells like dog food it is not healthy for them...
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    本帖最后由 kyletruman 于 2021-5-5 19:11 编辑
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    klwo2 发表于 2021-5-5 17:27
    + ^: ]" y1 }/ ~多谢,21世纪大英汉倒还真参考了些偏门书
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    把Corned beef hash叫Dog Food,应该就是因为两者看着像闻着也 ...
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    21世纪大英汉部分释义来源是Collins English Dictionary(之前看过Oeasy版主的帖子,那个帖子的具体位置我记不清了),另外,dog food只找到了涉及beef方面的语料库:
    The dog food industry was spending an incredible $50 million a year on advertising. Commercials centered around the "beef wars," with competing companies all claiming to have the most pure beef. (Bonanza star Lorne Greene did a TV commercial for Alpo …holding a sirloin steak.)
    https://www.neatorama.com/pet/2013/05/20/Kibble-Me-This-The-History-of-Dog-Food/
    Have you ever wondered, when looking at the ingredients of your dog’s favorite kibble, what “meat meal” is? Or how much cow is actually in a “beefy” can of dog food?
    https://nycdoggies.com/wellness/dog-food-the-story-of-kibble/
    in which the actor Lorne Greene dishes up a can of beef chunks for his golden retriever.
    https://newrepublic.com/article/115349/dogfooding-tech-slang-working-out-glitches,21世纪大英汉编纂者可能是从语料库中总结出来的释义。# c5 U- i4 B; s" N/ O
    (Google英文搜索的,其他人可以用Google搜索帮忙找一下,输入不同的关键字,搜索结果不同)
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    Dr. eye dictionary online 查这个dog food居然有四个释义。。  不知道他的汉译哪里来的,第一个解释还是个新义:“内部试用;内部试用的软件”。
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    loveaffairs 发表于 2021-5-5 15:088 S) L( O$ }6 D6 G
    Dog Food: Corned beef hash.
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    4 I5 {1 M5 F% q% u8 ]Source: https://www.wwiidogtags.com/ww2-slang/

    # J, p1 V2 l' D0 c3 J9 F5 X奇怪,这个网站我这边怎么打不开?
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    Urban Dictionary 里面的“狗粮骗局”) W$ \4 @* G4 y" N! s8 w2 m9 [

    , q5 y- d; E4 p- I) H: Jdogfood scam
    9 n3 `; R+ s* i: `& c1. A old school scam used by bums to get money by using a can of dog food and a can of cornbeef and hash. The can of dog food is emptied and cleaned out and the cornbeef is placed in the dogfood can. The bum then sits outside a grocery store eating from the dogfood can and is given money by strangers that think the poor bum is eating dogfood.! ~- Z# {4 P& I% I: L1 T3 P# L+ O7 {: [
    2. Any scam where a bum lowers himself to a unethical level, such as pretending to have no legs.

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    发表于 2021-5-11 20:14:14 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 MYsedulous 于 2021-5-14 11:06 编辑
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    我一直说啊,资料不全会发生很多问题,知道2楼的资料出处在哪儿吗?! i3 K) M* B% ^7 N
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    Green的书太大其实并不全,引他的东西一定要注意。研究美国俚语不是最早的但绝对是学术性的开山鼻祖是Harold Wentworth和Stuart Berg Flexner(此君就不用我介绍了)合著的Dictinary of American Slang, 在该词典dog food条就有此解。
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